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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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659 for the 30th of may

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2021 richard saunders here with you this

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with the news coming out of australia

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that in the state of victoria

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there has been a sudden and somewhat

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worrying increase in covert 19

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our first story is about me here in

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sydney

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fronting up for my first vaccination

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now the one i'm taking is called the

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astrazeneca one

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and it's available to over 50s here in

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new south wales i fit that bill

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just so a few days ago

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i made the journey out to the suburb of

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homebush the olympic park

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precinct where there is now a

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vaccination hub

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join me as i travel by car and trains

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get to the vaccination hub and have my

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shot

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a few days after that i caught up with

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susan gerbic

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adrian hill now reporter kelly burke and

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leonard trimmel as they discuss their

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reactions

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and experiences to having vaccinations

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in the united states and canada

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following that it's back once more to

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mind body wallet

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body spirit festival

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was held once more in sydney after a gap

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of a year

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i go along with our good friend and

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supporter daryl cahoon

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and from the medical republic magazine

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penny durham

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we wander the stalls and the stands and

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the aisles of mind body wallet

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to see what new and exciting nonsense

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we can discover mind you there's always

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a lot of interesting things to see in

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bad mind body spirit mind body wallet

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including some lovely hot sauces and

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things like that clothes jewelry that's

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all very good

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now bear with the recording i

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was making some comments as i wandered

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around the aisles of mind body wallet

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and my microphone did not live up to my

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expectations well it was the phone

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in the microphone it was the microphone

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in the phone

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i should say when i was holding it near

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my mouth didn't quite pick me up as

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clearly as i'd hoped please

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remember that keep that in mind you can

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hear me but it's a little bit uh

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well it's not as clear as i would have

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hoped then another story

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with somebody we talk about uh every now

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and then on the skeptic's own former

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celebrity chef pete evans

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i've called this segment pete evans

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cooks his own goose

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he's cooked it again and the therapeutic

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goods administration here in australia

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has issued infringement notices totaling

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80 000 against pete evans and his

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for more claims of nonsense

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then to round off the show it's a trove

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segment once again

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wander through the digital archives of

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newspapers gazettes and

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magazines and so on and with the uh

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the new age and the word skeptic within

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the same

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article a big shout out to my friends in

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melbourne

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and those especially having to once more

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modify their lives to work from home

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and i'm thinking especially of those

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teachers out there who are now having to

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sit down in front of the computer and

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teach remotely

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don't underestimate teachers folks

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most important parts of our society

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maybe i should send them all a little

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piece of origami to

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brighten their day stay tuned at the end

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of the show for an important

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announcement from me

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concerning a special episode of the

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skeptic zone coming up

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in the next week but now it's time for

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me to run downstairs

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and enjoy a glass of root beer

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no sugar which is what they're calling

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i discovered a source in here in sydney

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of uh no sugar root beer my favorite

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drink go figure while i do that i hope

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you enjoy

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it's vaccination day v-day when i call

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what is today it's the 24th of may 2021

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it's just after just after five o'clock

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and i'm about to drive to the train

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station and the train will take me to

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precinct where since i'm over 50 i'm

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entitled now to get the covert 19

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vaccination and it's the astrazeneca

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do know some people have reported

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symptoms and painful arm this is not

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i don't know if this will happen to me

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no idea but i do know it's the right

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thing to do

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to go and get my covert 19 injection

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especially when today as i'm driving as

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i'm well i'm getting ready to drive the

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victoria in the city of melbourne

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so complacency is something we can't

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uh well off i go

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oh here i am at the local train station

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let me see about to look for a

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doors closing please stand clear

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my final connection the trains waiting

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to this line which goes out to olympic

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and after all that here i am at the

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vaccination center i think i know

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oh i see and there's a big illuminated

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uh vax center 200 meters ahead

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at apt time at appointed time

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so i will scope out the joint

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and prepare to join the queue at my

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there it is in the distance now

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i've never been to a vaccination hub

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uh conducted to the smaller it seems the

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big signs this way right well in i go

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a report soon okay

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just relax and then let me try to

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wow it didn't hurt at all they want to

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well it's all over i'm now back outside

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i was okay which i still am ceiling fine

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anyway time to go home and see what

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it's the next day it's tuesday

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the 25th of may and what time is it now

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it's 8 30 in the morning

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so far so good no ill effects my arm is

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is it even sore not feeling any

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i am not um i'm not saying that there

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will be no ill effects but as of yet

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i don't feel anything whatsoever i guess

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and now it's the next day it's wednesday

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here in australia

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and i had i must admit folks i did have

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a bit of a rough

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evening last evening i started to feel

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chills i started to feel a bit achy

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um a bit unwell but a good night's sleep

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and i seem to be

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okay again so i think my negative

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it wasn't very fun but it it seems to be

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over now i'm with the great australian

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once again i've got susan adrian leonard

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kelly on the screen who's had their shot

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hands up okay oh everybody and we'll

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negative effects i just was very careful

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before me and then i was tearful again

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and then tearful again when my kids

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sense of euphoria

286
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we're done with this you know that we're

287
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over this part it was

288
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it was a great moment in science great

289
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moment in science

290
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and and which which vaccination did you

291
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get

292
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i'm pfizer okay adrian how about you

293
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now i got pfizer as well and i was

294
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:22,079
serious when i went in i've only had one

295
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shot i'm still awaiting

296
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the second appointment we're a little

297
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behind the us in that

298
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but i did have a reaction about 24 hours

299
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after my shot

300
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i was walking into a grocery store and

301
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it was like a switch went on

302
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and suddenly my body ached i felt

303
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nauseous

304
00:13:44,710 --> 00:13:43,360
i i did not feel well at all and i

305
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turned around went home

306
00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:46,800
and went to bed for four hours and then

307
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the switch went off and i was fine yeah

308
00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:50,720
it was very strange sounds more or less

309
00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:51,920
what i experienced what

310
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so you went into a shop and a switch

311
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went on so you were reaching for the

312
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wrong maple syrup obviously

313
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that was it you were reaching they had

314
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no canadian

315
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maple syrup so you had to settle for the

316
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the imitation australian one

317
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is recommended by noted pancake eating

318
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,610
expert richard saunders

319
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[Laughter]

320
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:15,600
leonard how did you fare so i

321
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:19,120
got the um modernist shot and after the

322
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first dose i just had a slightly sore

323
00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:26,959
arm after the second dose i had an arm

324
00:14:32,949 --> 00:14:31,040
that was so sore that having the

325
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blanket move on it at night woke me up

326
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:34,240
wow

327
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and then after two days for

328
00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:41,680
just short of an hour i had a case of

329
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the shivers i wasn't actually cold so i

330
00:14:50,310 --> 00:14:47,120
don't call it the chills

331
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:50,320
but i was just shivering uncontrollably

332
00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:53,360
for about 45 minutes okay

333
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:56,000
okay which i keep thinking is a lot

334
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:57,040
better than

335
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a ventilator i think i think you're

336
00:15:01,269 --> 00:15:00,639
absolutely right yes i experienced some

337
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sort of

338
00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:03,440
you know chills or shivering or cold

339
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cold feeling

340
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:07,680
um not not great fun but not not too

341
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:08,480
unbearable

342
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:10,880
now kelly how did you how did you manage

343
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,519
it so

344
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,199
after my first shot i had a bit of a

345
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:16,079
sore arm for my second shot i was so

346
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:16,639
ready

347
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:19,120
i drank as much water as i could i went

348
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,320
to bed early because i

349
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:22,160
was like i'm gonna have a bad reaction

350
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,320
my roommate just had a bad reaction

351
00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,160
and i had like nothing yeah and and

352
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,240
which version did you get

353
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,240
i got madonna madonna okay i got

354
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:32,240
astrazeneca so we've covered all bases

355
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:33,519
here folks

356
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:36,399
so that's the story um a few negative

357
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:37,759
reactions nothing

358
00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:40,320
too dramatic a slightly unwell feeling

359
00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:41,600
for a little while but

360
00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:43,839
i can say now i'm feeling absolutely

361
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:44,639
fine

362
00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:48,720
um and in 12 weeks i get my next shot so

363
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,720
from the psychic the great australian

364
00:15:55,690 --> 00:15:52,000
psychic prediction project

365
00:15:55,700 --> 00:16:10,710
[Music]

366
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:13,350
hey adrian hi susan out for some

367
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,240
shopping eh

368
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:16,320
yep i'm stocking up on this imitation

369
00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:18,079
maple syrup from australia

370
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:21,120
imitation imitation

371
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:23,759
no no no no you need to buy the real

372
00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:24,160
thing

373
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,199
from canada but i saw the tv commercial

374
00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:29,199
and it said that noted pancake eating

375
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,880
expert richard saunders says it's the

376
00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,639
best maple syrup money can buy

377
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:34,399
and sixty percent of people preferred in

378
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:36,880
a blind taste test everyone knows it's

379
00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,759
the best

380
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:40,560
oh come on susan you know better than

381
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:41,440
that

382
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:47,839
or is it the argument from popularity

383
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:51,199
hmm it might be another logical fallacy

384
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,320
i'm not sure

385
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:54,079
really if only we had a way of finding

386
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:04,630
hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

387
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:06,880
fairy godmother angel from the internet

388
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:09,360
yes that's right but how did you know

389
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:10,480
who i am

390
00:17:16,829 --> 00:17:13,760
i listened to the skeptic zone podcast

391
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:16,839
also didn't you used to be the tooth

392
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:19,199
fairy yes

393
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,280
i remember you i'll never forget

394
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:26,400
your left upper lateral incisor

395
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:30,720
would you like it back no it's okay

396
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,720
you keep it hey skeptical fairy

397
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,320
godmother angel what are you doing here

398
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,600
in the supermarket

399
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:37,919
i've come to tell you that you can find

400
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:38,720
out about

401
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:40,880
40 different logical fallacies on

402
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:41,760
youtube

403
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:45,120
in one handy location listen to

404
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:47,600
each one to hear an explanation and

405
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:48,640
examples of

406
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:56,350
just go to tinyurl.com

407
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,280
logicalzone and you'll find all the

408
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:01,919
logical fallacies with michelle bicker's

409
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,559
mark

410
00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:04,960
with handy time codes to get to the

411
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:06,400
exact one you want

412
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,679
who is michelle bigesma um just a friend

413
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,470
tinyurl.com

414
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:17,280
zone thank you skeptical fairy godmother

415
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,160
angel

416
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,160
i guess you'll disappear in a puff of

417
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:22,320
smoke and thunder now eh

418
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,840
um not quite yet i have a bit of

419
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:27,280
shopping to do

420
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,000
susan yes where do i find the australian

421
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:34,240
maple syrup

422
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:37,039
what no no no come with me so-called

423
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:38,559
skeptical fairy

424
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:53,909
[Music]

425
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:56,960
well after a break of a year

426
00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:00,799
going to well obviously covered 19.

427
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,520
mind body spirit festival is on again

428
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,280
here at darling harbour

429
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,120
or as we like to call it all together

430
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,360
now mind body wallet

431
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:12,240
i'm outside the entrance here waiting

432
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:12,640
for

433
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:15,440
a few friends to come along to join me

434
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,000
and

435
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,840
there's a big sign saying free entry i

436
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,520
think that's an older sign the entry is

437
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:21,840
free but you have to register

438
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,039
online and

439
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,679
i think that's a vaguely sensible idea

440
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:28,960
to keep numbers down

441
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,230
and it'll be interesting to see what

442
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:36,840
it's like after a year's gap

443
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,480
years rest from mind body wallet

444
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,280
and i'll be keeping uh a sharp eye out

445
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:45,280
for any covered 19 related

446
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:48,960
factory or woo or bad advice

447
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,080
anyway yeah it's very different normally

448
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,080
there's a lot more fanfare

449
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,600
up here outside the entrance but they're

450
00:20:08,620 --> 00:19:58,880
just people milling around

451
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,310
[Music]

452
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,000
well here i am walking around the main

453
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,080
body of mind buddy wallace

454
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,200
it's really good in the sense that i

455
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:19,039
guess because of covert

456
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,000
it's not nearly as crowded as it used to

457
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,919
be on a sunday in years past which

458
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:26,320
makes it a much more relaxing experience

459
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,280
i'm here with

460
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,200
a longtime supporter of the skeptic zone

461
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:30,960
and skeptic darrell cahoon

462
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,440
and penny durham from the medical

463
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:34,960
republic

464
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,640
magazine and she's finding this quite an

465
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:40,159
eye-opening experience and

466
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,440
i think she's going to interview me

467
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,200
later on for their podcast links

468
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,080
in this week's show notes if appropriate

469
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:47,600
but we'll already passed a couple of

470
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,320
iridologists and some other eye

471
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,799
examination i wasn't familiar with

472
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:54,720
crystals

473
00:21:04,000 --> 00:20:58,480
and you know the normal range of

474
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:09,590
[Music]

475
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,310
here we are in yet another aisle and

476
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,440
we've passed uh

477
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,880
lots of very interesting things

478
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:16,559
including

479
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:21,120
a healing device a quantum vibration

480
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,799
device

481
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,919
which harmonizes your energies and

482
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:28,240
vibrates in the same frequency as your

483
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,350
sort of thing i've seen here before but

484
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:35,039
um

485
00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:38,720
device

486
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:44,710
really i should go back and get one

487
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:53,909
and at last we've come to uh

488
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,039
probably the last row here and yes it's

489
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,480
the psychic reading room

490
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,600
55 for 25 minutes

491
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:03,360
and you can choose from the list of

492
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,559
psychics they're all behind big

493
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:06,159
partitions oh no there's a big gap there

494
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:07,120
i can see

495
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,310
and of course there would be no

496
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,960
surprises in there

497
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:17,200
that's been the same for the 20 years

498
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:18,799
i've been um

499
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,320
i've been visiting my buddy wallet

500
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,840
a room or a big partition area full of

501
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,080
psychics

502
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,760
they've got their names and pictures on

503
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,400
the wall outside

504
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,720
maybe something's in psychic reading

505
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:35,440
text available

506
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,830
[Music]

507
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,760
we escaped we're out i'm with daryl

508
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,159
cahoon hi daryl g'day hi i'm good

509
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:54,559
good and uh penny durham from the

510
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,200
medical

511
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,760
republic yeah tell us a little bit about

512
00:23:02,710 --> 00:22:59,039
the medical republic

513
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:02,720
oh it's a magazine for gps we're online

514
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:06,720
and in print and we've been around for

515
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,200
about

516
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,640
five years and we've ramped up our um

517
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,320
our editorial content quite a lot over

518
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,240
the past couple of years

519
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:16,880
and we now send two newsletters a day

520
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,360
and one

521
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,400
weekend and we fortnightly print

522
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,360
publications

523
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,200
fantastic now this is a funny situation

524
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,880
folks we were just in the mind body

525
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,679
wallet

526
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,520
wandering around and penny interviewed

527
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,799
me for a podcast

528
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,720
if we've come and we're turning the

529
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,919
tables we've come up

530
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,679
we've escaped and now i'm going to

531
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,240
interview you now you said you

532
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:39,120
were at one of these events many years

533
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:39,760
ago

534
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,640
i think i have been here before but like

535
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,559
between 15 and 20 years ago with a

536
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:45,679
friend who

537
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,799
worked for one of the well-being type

538
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,760
magazines

539
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
and he was very into this kind of stuff

540
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,960
and i think he showed us around but i

541
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,919
haven't been back

542
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,320
right and as someone well i guess we

543
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,679
could say sort of fresh to

544
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,279
what you just saw what were your

545
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,880
impressions um

546
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,080
i i want to be careful i think

547
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,960
um a lot of it is there's a lot of

548
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,080
crystals there's a lot of

549
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,760
food there's a lot of absolutely

550
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:13,919
harmless stuff that gives people vision

551
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:17,679
um there are your your psychics and your

552
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,559
mediums

553
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:21,279
and your reiki purveyors and chakra

554
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,080
realigners

555
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,159
and aura photographers actually i'm sure

556
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:25,600
the aura photographer was exactly the

557
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,320
same

558
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,720
one that was here 20 years ago i i think

559
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,320
i recognized that the box

560
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:32,480
the camera they used looks like year

561
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,360
after year yeah

562
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:35,760
pretty sure um so some of them obviously

563
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,640
are enduring

564
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,480
and as we were discussing before some of

565
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,760
them come and go

566
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,360
and i think some of them edge into

567
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:43,279
making very serious medical claims that

568
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,840
they

569
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,679
certainly should not be making and for

570
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,880
which there is no

571
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,480
evidence and indeed no possible

572
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,640
mechanics yeah yeah and when you do ask

573
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:52,559
so how does this work

574
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:55,039
you do get a stream of high grade

575
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,840
gobbledygook

576
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,559
yeah word salad we call it yeah

577
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,080
biomagnetic resonance

578
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,880
and quantum healing yeah yeah yeah so

579
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:03,679
yeah i

580
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,799
just you stay polite and move on and you

581
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:07,760
have to

582
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,120
yeah yeah yeah so no no it's it's people

583
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,799
look at me crazy because i come back

584
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:14,000
year after year but i think it's

585
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,640
important

586
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,480
now what i was keeping an eye out for

587
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,919
which i didn't see were covert

588
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,559
claims which was interesting yes i think

589
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,919
it would be a very bad look

590
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,840
in this year if there was anybody who

591
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,200
was offering

592
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,200
anything that they claimed to you know

593
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,039
protect you from covered and i think

594
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,080
the organizers and probably the you know

595
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,919
the vendors themselves to be too smart

596
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,440
to offer anything

597
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,039
i think i think you might be right right

598
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:39,039
yeah yeah yeah and i don't think that

599
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,440
would

600
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,200
get actually i'm not sure what's the

601
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,039
level of um government support this

602
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,480
event again i don't know if any possibly

603
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,400
we need to check that out actually but

604
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,919
um i'm sure

605
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,159
that yeah no one would be silly enough

606
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,360
to

607
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,799
um make claims but without knowing of

608
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,039
course because we didn't ask i think

609
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,240
some of the ones down there if you

610
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,880
scratched the surface

611
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:05,919
because as as

612
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,960
you i told you and you got the

613
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,799
impression we sort of gleaned

614
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,320
a lot of the people there are honest

615
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,679
they really believe in the products

616
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,880
they're selling so

617
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,960
why wouldn't they think it would help

618
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,480
for covert you see what i mean yeah and

619
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,159
it is a sort of whole market of

620
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:22,799
alternative medicine that it can cure

621
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,440
everything

622
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,919
yes you've got your magic wand and it

623
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,120
will cure

624
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,240
cancer kidney failure well look at look

625
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,600
at this list we've got here for one of

626
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,360
the devices which i tried out which is a

627
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,039
sort of a vibrating weird thing

628
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,960
they put on my head look at all the

629
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,720
things that treats migraines headaches

630
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:39,840
jaw pain

631
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,880
uh fasciitis muscular inflammation

632
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,000
carpal tunnel

633
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,480
menstrual cramps muscular dystrophy

634
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:47,840
trigeminal neuralgia

635
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,159
wow wow that's a very serious headache

636
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,520
i don't think i've had half of these

637
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:55,919
conditions but if i did say i've not had

638
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:56,320
really

639
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,679
i could get this device and and um

640
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,360
oh there's the website too so we've got

641
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,840
some brochures but yeah but i i know

642
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,200
you're right that there certainly

643
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,279
weren't any prominent um

644
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,159
claims to zap viruses in anything that

645
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,760
we just saw

646
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,360
all right well look i really appreciate

647
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,279
you coming along i'm sure

648
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,279
i really do because i keep saying to

649
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,480
people come on come along and they look

650
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,520
at me

651
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:22,320
no never but it's important i think it's

652
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,480
important for any um

653
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,600
look any gps out there who are listening

654
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,919
please go along to mind body spirit and

655
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,360
see what some of your patients are

656
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,120
getting into

657
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,559
what treatments they think are working

658
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:39,039
because honestly we saw things there

659
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:40,399
today which were

660
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,159
simply pure nonsense and you can see why

661
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:45,919
all the stuff has a lot of appeal and

662
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,559
particularly when you are in the

663
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,840
in the health system and you're not

664
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,960
getting the answers that you want and

665
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,000
you're not feeling

666
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,880
better it's and you're not having a hand

667
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:55,919
held and you're not being

668
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,279
treated as a particularly special person

669
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,760
um which doctors don't have time to do

670
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,279
they're on a sort of

671
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,840
everyone is overworked and understaffed

672
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,399
and

673
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:08,559
um on a street kind of time frame you

674
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:09,760
don't have time to spend that kind of

675
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,159
time

676
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,360
with your patients but that fact

677
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,679
can often push people towards the kind

678
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,279
of practitioner who will offer

679
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:20,000
what seems like a more kind

680
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:20,799
compassionate

681
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,320
natural natural yeah experience yeah

682
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,399
that's that's nobody's fault that it's

683
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:28,080
just one to be aware of

684
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,919
and you think that you know

685
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,120
well let's just say i had dinner with a

686
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,600
couple of gps not long ago and

687
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:38,000
one of them is retired um offered

688
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:38,799
homeopathy

689
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,440
and acupuncture to her patients and

690
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,440
she was of the belief that western

691
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,279
medicine doesn't work for everybody

692
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,679
and some people need a bit more but as

693
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:50,640
if to

694
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,919
answer any you know calm any um

695
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,279
problems i might have with that she said

696
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,880
no i always tell them it won't always

697
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:58,080
work it might it won't work for

698
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,640
everybody

699
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,159
homeopathy it'll work for some people

700
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,799
but not lovers and it's

701
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,880
it's hard to come back to that because

702
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,320
you know certain cancer treatments don't

703
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,840
work for everybody that doesn't mean

704
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,200
there's no evidence for them it just

705
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,919
means that we haven't figured out yeah

706
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
yeah i'm home

707
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,559
with you cannot possibly work for anyone

708
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,559
i'm sorry you just

709
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,919
there is no you beat me do it it can't

710
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,279
unless you really really

711
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,200
you know want to feel a benefit and then

712
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,039
you will feel it yeah um

713
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,159
but so it's not it's not as though

714
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:31,200
even the medical profession is is um

715
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,440
so to speak immune from of course the

716
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,360
appeal of no we're all human

717
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,399
yeah yeah anyway maybe we'll see you

718
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:40,080
back here again for the next one

719
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,760
maybe thanks benny thanks

720
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,000
hello this is maynard did you know that

721
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:59,600
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

722
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:00,240
youtube

723
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,230
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

724
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,600
with michelle bigesma

725
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:13,440
and funny sketches with richard saunders

726
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:18,950
just click on the youtube links on the

727
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,789
[Music]

728
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,520
the name pete evans is certainly known

729
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,000
to listeners of the skeptic zone for

730
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,840
well over a year now we've been

731
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,760
reporting on the

732
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,039
woes of this former celebrity chef

733
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,520
and promoter of corona virus conspiracy

734
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:54,399
theories

735
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,760
and quack devices last year he was fined

736
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,200
twenty five thousand dollars by the

737
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:02,080
therapeutics goods administration

738
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:05,360
this year in the last couple of days

739
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,600
he has been fined eighty thousand

740
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:09,360
dollars

741
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:13,080
and we pick up the story from the abc

742
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,519
abc.net.u published on the 25th of may

743
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,640
tga finds pete evans company 80 000

744
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,760
for repeated advertising breaches

745
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,159
with a picture of a smiley pete evans

746
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,679
and the captain says the products

747
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,039
flagged by the tga

748
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,679
are no longer on the former my kitchen

749
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:32,399
rules

750
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,440
hosts website and with reference to

751
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,799
youtube

752
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,840
the magic pill

753
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,080
pete evans has been fined almost eighty

754
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,760
thousand dollars by the therapeutics

755
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,559
goods administration tga for repeated

756
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,880
breaches of the advertising rules around

757
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:50,720
health products

758
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,360
key notes a product called the

759
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,279
biocharger was among those

760
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,360
involved in the alleged advertising

761
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,399
breaches

762
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,519
evans was fined 25 000 last april after

763
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,000
he claimed the biocharger

764
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,880
could be used in relation to covert 19.

765
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,320
the tga describes

766
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:12,000
evans as a repeat offender and told his

767
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,840
company to stop

768
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,200
advertising unregulated therapeutic

769
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,480
products

770
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:19,039
the controversial celebrity chefs

771
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,840
company

772
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:22,000
was hit with six infringement notices

773
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,960
totaling

774
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,440
seventy nine thousand nine hundred and

775
00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:26,559
twenty dollars

776
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:29,320
and directed to take down quote

777
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:30,559
non-compliant

778
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,039
advertising end quote relating to

779
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:35,200
hyperbaric oxygen therapy

780
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:39,279
chambers to oral medicines and a device

781
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
called a biocharger in april last year

782
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:44,080
evans was slapped

783
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:48,159
with a 25 200 fine from the tga

784
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:51,919
for claiming the biocharger described as

785
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,480
a quote

786
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,760
subtle energy revitalization platform

787
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,240
end quote could be used in relation to

788
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,240
coronavirus as well as a number of other

789
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,600
unproven claims

790
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,559
evan's company was also warned about a

791
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,039
number of other products at the time

792
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,799
due to the repeated nature of the

793
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,640
alleged advertising breaches

794
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,159
the tga has also issued a directions

795
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:16,159
notice to mr evans and his company to

796
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,640
cease

797
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,039
advertising therapeutic goods not

798
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,519
entered in the artg

799
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,480
australian register of therapeutic goods

800
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,640
and to discontinue making

801
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,640
various claims about therapeutic

802
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,679
products

803
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,880
the tga said in announcing the latest

804
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,880
fines the tga said the products were

805
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,159
being advertised

806
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:38,640
for their claim therapeutic benefits but

807
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:39,519
were not

808
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,519
included on the a rtg the tga

809
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,559
also said that the advertising for

810
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:49,200
static magnet products and the

811
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,080
hyperbaric

812
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,480
chambers implied the products were

813
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,480
endorsed by a health professional

814
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,840
which was a violation of the

815
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,559
therapeutics goods advertising code

816
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,919
neither product is currently being

817
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,840
advertised on evan's

818
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,320
website but the blurb for the product

819
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,440
called

820
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,119
q magnets describes them as

821
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,679
the world's most powerful and effective

822
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:13,280
therapeutic magnets

823
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,440
q magnets are developed by experienced

824
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,919
physiotherapists

825
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:21,119
and neurologists and are designed to

826
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,520
help

827
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,839
provide comfort for temporary relief of

828
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,520
minor aches and pains

829
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,079
the website read cue magnets are the

830
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,079
real deal and used by

831
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,919
hundreds of sports players

832
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:34,240
physiotherapists chiropractors

833
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,639
podiatrists acupuncturists massage

834
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,359
therapists

835
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,280
rehabilitation professionals and

836
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,119
individuals around the world

837
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,000
the hyperbaric chambers description said

838
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,079
the product was used by a doctor who

839
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,320
specialized in hyperbaric medicine

840
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:51,040
but also included a disclaimer that said

841
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,000
the claims from the manufacturer did

842
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,720
not constitute a medical recommendation

843
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:58,320
and was intended for

844
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:00,839
information and educational purposes

845
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:04,320
only no claims real or implied

846
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:07,920
are being made yet read

847
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,200
now if we pop over to the tga's own

848
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,520
website in relation to this matter

849
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,280
they have a press release there too and

850
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,960
i'll link to both these items in the

851
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,720
show notes it says more or less the same

852
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,359
thing

853
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:21,760
as the abc story was more or less

854
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:22,400
getting its

855
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:25,520
information from this but it goes on to

856
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,720
say here on the tga

857
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,640
it is a requirement of the therapeutics

858
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,160
goods advertising code

859
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,119
number two 2018 that therapeutic goods

860
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,200
advertising does not imply that products

861
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,720
are endorsed by health professionals

862
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,920
health practitioners

863
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,320
or medical researchers also it goes on

864
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,520
to say

865
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,680
advertisers are responsible for ensuring

866
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,119
that therapeutic goods

867
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,440
advertising is compliant with the act

868
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,240
the tga has published information about

869
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,640
general advertising requirements

870
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:56,560
educational information and resources

871
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,040
about

872
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,720
australia's advertising rules for the

873
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,040
therapeutics goods can be found

874
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,560
on the tga website and the final link

875
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,920
down the bottom of the page is quite

876
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,119
funny

877
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,440
the tga website includes tips for

878
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:11,200
consumers about how to spot

879
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,280
a dodgy health product ad dodgy meaning

880
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,560
suspicious that might be worth studying

881
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:20,640
after my visit to the mind body spirit

882
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,599
festival

883
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,920
and i've often wondered why officials

884
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,560
compliance officers from the tga don't

885
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,760
visit mind body wallet mind body spirit

886
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:32,000
wander around and just innocently ask

887
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,200
questions like

888
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,520
we do from the skeptics and get all

889
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,520
sorts of bizarre answers

890
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,960
some of the products i've seen there

891
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:41,119
over the years certainly

892
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,040
run contrary to uh to the tga's

893
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,760
regulations and every year there seems

894
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:49,599
to be yet another one

895
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,800
anyway once more celebrity chef former

896
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,079
celebrity chef pete

897
00:37:10,550 --> 00:36:57,440
evans shows his prowess in the kitchen

898
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,790
somewhere between science and

899
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:14,000
superstition

900
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,390
look your daughter doesn't say she's a

901
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,119
demon she says she's the devil himself

902
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,240
that thing is not my daughter and i want

903
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:28,400
you to tell me there's a show where the

904
00:37:31,630 --> 00:37:29,280
hosts don't just

905
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,640
report on french science and

906
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:32,800
spirituality

907
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,079
but take part themselves

908
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,079
well there is and it's ono ross and

909
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,680
kerry on maximum fun

910
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,560
this year we actually became certified

911
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,520
exorcists

912
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,440
so yes carrie and i can help your

913
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,040
daughter

914
00:38:06,400 --> 00:37:50,160
or we can just talk about it on the show

915
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,589
[Music]

916
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,839
let's take another wonder into the pages

917
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:11,119
of the trove

918
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,640
or a trove the generic term i'm using

919
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,320
now for digitized

920
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:19,760
musicians archives diaries

921
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,119
journals magazines gazettes weeklies

922
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,359
periodicals

923
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,800
um and so on from the world

924
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,200
looking into various items of interest

925
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,960
skeptics

926
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,599
and this week i thought i'd do a double

927
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,240
search i

928
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
searched for the term new age and the

929
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:41,440
word skeptic

930
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:52,150
[Music]

931
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:56,990
from lehman news dated the 27th of june

932
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:01,200
1998 mediums

933
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,960
and this is in the lifestyle section

934
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,160
subsection religion talking to the deer

935
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,079
departed is one thing

936
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:12,160
but hearing from them that's quite

937
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:13,200
another

938
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,200
by drew sefton knight rider newspapers

939
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,839
there are those among us believers say

940
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,720
who possess

941
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,680
the gift of communication with the dead

942
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,119
the mediums

943
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,680
mediums relay messages from spirits to

944
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,560
the living

945
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:32,000
advice and admonitions as well as hope

946
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:32,800
and comfort

947
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:36,079
from ethereal entities unlike any on

948
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:36,960
earth

949
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,079
hogwash skeptics say claims of

950
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,000
mediumship have been around since human

951
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,800
first confronted the finality of death

952
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,640
anyone who believes it's possible to

953
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,640
talk with the dead is simply

954
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,680
irrationally hopeful and

955
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,960
so the centuries-old debate continues

956
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,520
in the last year mediums have soared

957
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,440
into the media spotlight

958
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,440
at the forefront is the phenomenal

959
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,200
success of the book

960
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,480
quote talking to heaven a medium's

961
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,119
message of life after death then quote

962
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:12,400
by los angeles medium james van

963
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,839
praagh dutton 22.95

964
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,839
it's been at the top of the new york

965
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:22,000
times notification best seller list for

966
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,800
months

967
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:25,040
there is no organization that license

968
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:26,480
mediums or keeps

969
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,000
statistics on their clientele using van

970
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,319
pragg's business as an indicator

971
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,599
interest is

972
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,079
intense during the last year his

973
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:38,400
clientele has grown to a

974
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:41,680
three-year wait for private readings

975
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,200
last month actress cher revealed she was

976
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,760
using van brugg to talk to her recently

977
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,480
deceased

978
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,599
ex-husband sonny bono

979
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:54,400
why the fascination in an interview van

980
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,880
prague

981
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,640
said he thinks it has to do with a

982
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:59,599
failure of mainstream religion

983
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,280
people are looking into themselves

984
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,680
trying to discover more about themselves

985
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:06,160
and looking at the world outside a very

986
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,119
structured world

987
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,040
and organized religion don't answer

988
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,440
their questions he said

989
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,200
and prague makes tv and radio

990
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,680
appearances and gives lectures around

991
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,359
the country attempting to link

992
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,640
audience members to lost loved ones

993
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,119
he has a website from which he sells

994
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:25,119
educational materials

995
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,560
his clients the curious the hopeful

996
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,720
the desperate when people talk to the

997
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,280
virgin mary they're talking to a dead

998
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,480
person it's just a question of how you

999
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:37,839
define this

1000
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,599
as magic or religion said marcelo trouzy

1001
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:44,400
a professor of sociology at eastern

1002
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,040
michigan

1003
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,359
university and head of the center for

1004
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,760
scientific anomalies research

1005
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,160
a network of academics but that's

1006
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,839
talking to the dead

1007
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,520
when it comes to trying to receive

1008
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,319
messages from beyond the grave

1009
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,560
that's another issue most mediums

1010
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,000
consider themselves

1011
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,960
highly spiritual and are affiliated with

1012
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,160
the spiritualist

1013
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,960
church defined by the dictionary of

1014
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:09,760
religions

1015
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:13,040
as a modern mainly christian faith

1016
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,839
centered

1017
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,000
on communication with spirits of the

1018
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,640
dead who it is believed retain their

1019
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:19,920
personalities

1020
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,240
and are accessible through a medium a

1021
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,359
person gifted

1022
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,599
and trained in such communication

1023
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,680
mediums receive their messages

1024
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,800
differently

1025
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:31,839
some close their eyes and sink into a

1026
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:35,760
trance-like state others liken it to

1027
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,200
tuning into vibrations of the spirits

1028
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:41,359
plan prague for instance has described

1029
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,400
the process

1030
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,680
as sensing an energy level

1031
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,680
of a spirit and passing along the

1032
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,200
messages that comes

1033
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,200
to his mind van pagh's presentations

1034
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,480
seem pretty standard truezy said

1035
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,560
certainly what i've seen of him is

1036
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:59,520
extremely

1037
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,359
unimpressive trousy spent his career

1038
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,480
examining parapsychological phenomenon

1039
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,040
including claims of mediumship

1040
00:43:13,589 --> 00:43:10,560
communication with the dead

1041
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,599
telepathy extra sensory perception

1042
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,920
and clairvoyance seeing objects or

1043
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,400
events beyond the normal range of vision

1044
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,599
after more than 35 years he remains a

1045
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,480
skeptic

1046
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,280
i haven't found anything convincing

1047
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,560
trousy said

1048
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,480
and i've really found very little that

1049
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,400
i'd even call compelling

1050
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,880
van prague is used to dealing with such

1051
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,079
skeptics

1052
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,160
there are people who don't understand

1053
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,560
something so the first thing they do

1054
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,920
is to judge it he said if it doesn't fit

1055
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:43,359
into their paradigm

1056
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:46,640
it can't work most skeptics simply don't

1057
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,079
know the intricacies of mediumship

1058
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,200
the way he does van prague added

1059
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:55,280
truezy said that as long as van praag

1060
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,480
isn't doing anything

1061
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,520
unsavory such as doling out legal

1062
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,160
or financial advice the medium is

1063
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:03,760
serving a purpose

1064
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,200
most of what he gives people is twaddle

1065
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,319
and in a way that's good truezy said

1066
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,720
what most people want is comfort guilt

1067
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,920
assuagement

1068
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,440
and they get that your parents love you

1069
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,599
they forgive you they look forward to

1070
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:21,520
seeing you it's not your fault they're

1071
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,319
dead

1072
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,640
you can't go to a psychiatrist's couch

1073
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:25,440
and get

1074
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,280
those kinds of answers now i've

1075
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,760
looked into van praag over the years you

1076
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:33,280
don't hear much

1077
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,480
from him anymore he's very much a

1078
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,760
fated star from yesterday and there's a

1079
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,119
very interesting

1080
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,200
series of clips one of which i'm

1081
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,960
responsible for actually

1082
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,440
he appeared here in australia he comes

1083
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:49,119
to australia regularly or they all used

1084
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,079
to before

1085
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,560
the uh the pandemic john edward would

1086
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,160
come twice a year

1087
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,599
anyway vanpro came to australia and i

1088
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:59,760
captured him on two different television

1089
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:00,880
appearances

1090
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,079
one where he was in a studio

1091
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,800
situational studio audience chat show

1092
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,160
and he was asked to do

1093
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,640
a reading from the audience cold reading

1094
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,480
as we know

1095
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,839
and he floundered terribly

1096
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,960
it's cringingly embarrassing i will

1097
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:20,400
actually i'll link to that on the show

1098
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,359
notes

1099
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,000
and in the same visit he was in a

1100
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:25,760
completely different studio doing a

1101
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:26,319
different

1102
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,920
morning type news show

1103
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,960
where amazingly

1104
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,760
he could tune right into the subject it

1105
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,400
was just

1106
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:38,079
incredible he knew everything it seemed

1107
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,440
and did amazingly well

1108
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,359
but of course he had been speaking with

1109
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,119
the woman beforehand

1110
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,720
and in fact before they went to the

1111
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,240
commercial break

1112
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,800
there he was happily chatting to the

1113
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,440
woman

1114
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,119
outside on the street as they walked

1115
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,920
into the studio

1116
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,079
is it any surprise he did remarkably

1117
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:57,680
well in that situation very

1118
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,800
unimpressed with james van praagh very

1119
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,760
unimpressed

1120
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,760
and the next item comes to us from the

1121
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,040
arlington heights

1122
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:08,319
daily herald suburban chicago

1123
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,920
first of november 1988 by bert constable

1124
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:14,480
skeptics aimed to find if mystics are

1125
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,760
for real

1126
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,079
sure they say the skeptic's convention

1127
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,359
starts this weekend

1128
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,760
well i'll believe it when i see it these

1129
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,599
skeptics call themselves the committee

1130
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,520
for the scientific investigation of

1131
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:26,960
claims of the paranormal

1132
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,720
or cycop scientists authors professors

1133
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:31,920
famous people

1134
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,520
they say carl sagan is a cycop member

1135
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:38,240
i suppose he is one of the billions and

1136
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,359
billions

1137
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:42,560
of skeptics out there right just kidding

1138
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,119
guys

1139
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,160
this is just for funsies right

1140
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:49,040
or is your convention all work and no

1141
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,680
play

1142
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,079
as a matter of fact it is said ralph

1143
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,200
blasco

1144
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,359
a bloomingdale entrepreneur and local

1145
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,319
skeptic

1146
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,400
it is a heavyweight organization they

1147
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,560
represent some of the best minds

1148
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,520
in the many scientific disciplines mines

1149
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,640
belonging to

1150
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,440
astronomers sagan science writer isaac

1151
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,319
asimov

1152
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,520
university of chicago psychologist and

1153
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,200
wgn radio host

1154
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:16,480
milton rosenberg harvard professor

1155
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:19,920
b.f skinner and others the conferences

1156
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,599
are deadly serious blesco said

1157
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:26,800
no funny fez hats

1158
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,559
no whoopee cushions no dropping water

1159
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,400
balloons from the balcony

1160
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:35,680
i can't speak for everybody said barry

1161
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,000
carr

1162
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,160
spokesman for the cycop headquarters in

1163
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,440
buffalo new york

1164
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,440
but i won't be dropping any water

1165
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,040
balloons more than

1166
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,480
500 skeptics worldwide are expected to

1167
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,280
converge on the hyatt regency o'hare

1168
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:52,160
for three days to discuss quote the new

1169
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,040
age

1170
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,079
a scientific evaluation end quote

1171
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,480
among the topics are such yuppie

1172
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:59,359
phenomena

1173
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,200
as channeling the practice of subleasing

1174
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:05,599
your psyche to rambling spirits

1175
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,119
from eons ago crystal healing

1176
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,680
using little rocks to turn your life

1177
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,880
around

1178
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:15,680
psychics in the legal system people who

1179
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:16,000
call

1180
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:19,760
cops with clues from beyond

1181
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,520
ufo abductions earthlings snatched

1182
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,160
media responsibility and the paranormal

1183
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,839
why elvis gets more ink

1184
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,880
than mike dukakis this shirley mclean

1185
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,839
phenomenon

1186
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,720
all of the above there are 100 000

1187
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,559
proponents of these beliefs for every

1188
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,280
skeptic

1189
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:40,079
said blesco who was also a leader in a

1190
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,800
similar group

1191
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,200
known as the midwest committee for

1192
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,640
rational inquiry

1193
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:47,359
cycop just wants to find the truth we're

1194
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,680
not

1195
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:50,800
necessarily out to debunk a belief carl

1196
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:54,559
said the purpose here is to find out why

1197
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,200
why do people believe this w g enz

1198
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,280
rosenberg is dedicating three nights of

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00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:00,559
his extension

1200
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,240
720 program to the subjects among his

1201
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,280
guests will be

1202
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,920
james the amazing randy one of the

1203
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,559
several

1204
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,680
skeptical magicians in cycop rosenberg

1205
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:14,400
said he keeps an open mind but strives

1206
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:15,200
to live

1207
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:18,000
rationally and intelligently skeptics

1208
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,880
you see

1209
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,079
are not merely disbelievers please don't

1210
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,319
make us sound like rabid naysayers

1211
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:27,440
blasko said i'd be tickled if i could

1212
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,000
meet an

1213
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,599
extraterrestrial but their tendency for

1214
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,040
proof makes cyclop members unpopular

1215
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,440
with the segment of the population that

1216
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,000
was thrilled to discover

1217
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,400
white house travel plans were based on

1218
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,520
astrological

1219
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,640
charts if you grow someone's ox

1220
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,640
they're not going to love you for it

1221
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,160
blasco said

1222
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,160
the organization's magazine the

1223
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,520
skeptical inquirer

1224
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:56,000
routinely uncovers frauds concerning

1225
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,800
ufos

1226
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:59,520
faith healers haunted houses and get

1227
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,000
rich

1228
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,640
schemes sowing the seeds of skepticism

1229
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,559
when it comes to palm readers

1230
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,520
and horoscopes can reap benefits in the

1231
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,440
real world of consumers

1232
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,160
like when a person comes to your door

1233
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,599
and says he's going to clean your

1234
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,160
furnace for only 39.95

1235
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,240
skepticism is particularly involved

1236
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,240
during this election year

1237
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,480
if a politician tells you something

1238
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:23,839
maybe you will think

1239
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,680
a little more about it carr said i wish

1240
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,400
i would have known how dedicated to the

1241
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,559
facts these skeptics were before i

1242
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,760
boasted a bit about my background

1243
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,440
i'm going to be pretty red-faced if i

1244
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,520
can't scrape up one of those dang

1245
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,079
bullet surprise trophies by the start of

1246
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,000
the convention on friday

1247
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,400
maybe i can bring a note from elvis

1248
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:49,040
explaining how i won my pulitzer

1249
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,839
during a previous life and finally we

1250
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,079
have

1251
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,400
an item here from the colorado springs

1252
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,400
gazette dated the 16th

1253
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,680
of september 2004 under the heading of

1254
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,440
other voices

1255
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,640
belief in mystics baffles the mind

1256
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,280
opinion barry fagan contributing

1257
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,040
columnist

1258
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,240
in a former life i was an archbishop

1259
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,960
a powerful figure in the catholic church

1260
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,040
that's just one of the amazing things i

1261
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:21,040
learned at the colorado springs

1262
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,640
metaphysical fare

1263
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,440
i learnt the color yellow cleans my

1264
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,640
liver

1265
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:29,119
a spirit guide hovers over my right

1266
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:29,839
shoulder

1267
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:32,720
and a light bulb stuck in salt improves

1268
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,119
my

1269
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,319
health being a skeptic means demanding

1270
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,480
extraordinary evidence for extraordinary

1271
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:39,839
claims

1272
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:43,160
but being human means being open to new

1273
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,720
experiences so it was with equal

1274
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:49,440
parts trepidation and determination that

1275
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,240
i gave

1276
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,319
up a beautiful colorado saturday

1277
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,040
afternoon paid my five bucks

1278
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,480
and walked into the exhibit hall

1279
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,800
first i watched some readings there were

1280
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,240
many different kinds

1281
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,000
but i was struck by the similarities the

1282
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,760
quote psychics end quote made

1283
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:12,319
constant eye contact and did their best

1284
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,040
to get the consumer to talk

1285
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,760
this wasn't too tough it all looked like

1286
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:18,480
a

1287
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,440
work

1288
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,319
by themselves after all isn't that what

1289
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,880
you paid your fifteen dollars for

1290
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,920
so that's what i did with my psychic i

1291
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,200
picked one at random

1292
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,760
told her truthfully this was my first

1293
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:56,559
reading

1294
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:00,880
and off we went looking into her

1295
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,160
clairvoyant space she saw

1296
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,520
career changes family issues and

1297
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,319
an upcoming crossover to a major

1298
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:11,839
transition point

1299
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,960
all of this was news to me but i said

1300
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,599
nothing

1301
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:18,400
continuing only to make eye contact and

1302
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:18,960
nod

1303
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,160
sympathetically she talked about two of

1304
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,440
my past lives

1305
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,280
growing up in a wealthy family in the

1306
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,960
old west and an

1307
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,520
earlier incarnation as a catholic

1308
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,359
archbishop

1309
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:34,160
why do past lives always involved wealth

1310
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,440
and power

1311
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,839
wasn't anyone a ditch digger or a

1312
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,880
peasant

1313
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,680
still my psychic made it clear that i

1314
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,720
was

1315
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,920
not the pope so i guess that's something

1316
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,400
i know my rabbi will be pleased my

1317
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:50,079
psychic said that my past

1318
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,760
life experiences showed i was

1319
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,240
repressed emotionally i needed

1320
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:58,880
validation to express my feelings

1321
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,680
no surprise there i deliberately didn't

1322
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,280
talk much

1323
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,440
she also talked about physical changes

1324
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:06,720
in my body

1325
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,079
in the near future i'm a man in his

1326
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:12,480
mid-40s with gray in his beard

1327
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:15,920
duh her psychic abilities revealed i was

1328
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,359
rejecting the repressive religion

1329
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:22,400
in which i was raised she wanted me to

1330
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,880
know

1331
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,760
it was okay to integrate spirituality

1332
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,119
into religion

1333
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,680
remember she knew this was my first

1334
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,960
psychic reading

1335
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:33,119
since this is colorado springs she

1336
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,079
probably had me

1337
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,880
pegged as an evangelical christian

1338
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:37,440
looking

1339
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,480
at alternatives or standard

1340
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,280
cold reading stuff i thanked her as

1341
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,720
politely as i could

1342
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:47,040
and headed for the door i wasn't

1343
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,000
thrilled with

1344
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,599
being set back 17 but

1345
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:54,319
glad for the extra two bucks i paid for

1346
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:54,960
a tape

1347
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,240
recording those two dollars were

1348
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,359
for you dear reader you see

1349
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,680
thanks to the wonders of real science

1350
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,400
you can experience my psychic reading

1351
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,960
and make up your own mind all in the

1352
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,960
privacy of your own home

1353
00:55:15,549 --> 00:55:13,839
i've posted the tape and a transcript at

1354
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,559
fagin

1355
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:17,920
family.net barry

1356
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,520
psychic enjoy on my way out

1357
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,799
i passed a booth promoting the film

1358
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:27,599
quote what the bleep do we know end

1359
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,240
quote

1360
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,799
hoping for a thoughtful exploration of

1361
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,880
quantum mechanics and philosophy

1362
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,200
i took in the late show that night

1363
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,559
unfortunately

1364
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,799
the film is an unadulterated piece of

1365
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,240
new age garbage

1366
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,720
bad writing worse science it makes

1367
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,720
michael moore look objective

1368
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:46,480
some readers will say i don't have an

1369
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,839
open mind i try as best as i can

1370
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,319
but having an open mind doesn't mean

1371
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,839
anything gets in

1372
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,079
critical thinkers are like good colleges

1373
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:58,000
our minds are open but the admission

1374
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,359
standards are high

1375
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,280
the producers the film and the

1376
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,040
exhibitors at the

1377
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,920
metaphysical fair have one thing in

1378
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,880
common

1379
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,960
they're convinced science supports their

1380
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,599
trendy new age philosophy

1381
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,559
nonsense science provides our best

1382
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:15,599
understanding

1383
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:19,520
of the natural world so far that's all

1384
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,040
what the bleep do we know quite a lot

1385
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:25,599
actually we know if something looks like

1386
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:26,160
bleep

1387
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,400
until proven otherwise sometimes you

1388
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,040
don't need

1389
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:36,000
philosophy common sense will do just

1390
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,119
fine

1391
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,599
dr fagan of colorado springs is a senior

1392
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,359
fellow at the independence

1393
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,359
institute his column appears on

1394
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,559
alternate thursdays

1395
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,760
readers may email him at barry fagan

1396
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:51,200
family.net and

1397
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:56,640
believe it or not after all these years

1398
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:00,160
after almost 20 years the

1399
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:03,400
reading is still there online at

1400
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:04,799
faganfamily.net

1401
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:07,280
barry psychic i will link to this in the

1402
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,480
show notes

1403
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,440
but better than that let's listen to uh

1404
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:12,960
a moment or two

1405
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,789
okay a couple of things i see going on

1406
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:20,720
um actually they're the same thing but

1407
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:21,200
they

1408
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,359
things there's a lot of change

1409
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,079
coming up in your life um i see career

1410
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,400
change and i see

1411
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,599
like changes within the family um

1412
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,440
whatever that family structure looks to

1413
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,359
be to you i see

1414
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,400
people leaving i see people coming in

1415
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,720
leaving not in terms of this dying but

1416
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,160
leaving

1417
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:45,839
like going out of your life and more

1418
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,630
i'm also seeing that there is like right

1419
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,520
now where you're

1420
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,720
at i'm seeing kind of pressure pushing

1421
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:03,680
it's pushing you up but the picture i

1422
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,000
get

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is that you're hitting your head it's

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your head is up against

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um you can't see what it is because your

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head's up against it but i can see it

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and it's actually the dividing line

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between the current stage you're in and

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the one you're moving into

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so you're that close to crossing over

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that line to be in the next stage

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which is what is manifesting and so

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for you i'm seeing that head pushing up

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against it and it feels like something

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is pushing you

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up and it's just like a lot of pressure

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on your head are you aware of that at

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all physically are you

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feeling like you have a heavy head or a

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weight on your head or headaches

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recently or

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you know and still if you're you might

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not be aware of it at all that's just

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the picture i get is that pushing you

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up well there you go and thanks to barry

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fagan for all those years ago putting up

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his psychic reading online for us to

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to discover it in 2021

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as i always say you never know what

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you'll find

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when you do a search in the digitized

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archives of newspapers and someone

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week now as i said at the top

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of the show

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we have a special episode coming up

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probably within the next few days before

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the end of the week at least i'm just

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putting that together now

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iran segev our reporter and uh

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former president of the australian

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skeptics

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in his grain of salt segment interviews

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julia

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galif who has written a book called the

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scout mindset why some people see

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things clearly and others don't

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and this is a special episode because

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the interview with julia goes on for

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about an hour covering many many topics

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about critical thinking and how

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she looks at the scout mindset what is

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the scout mindset what is a soldier

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mindset

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she talks about cancel culture a very

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wide-ranging interview i'm sure you'll

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find quite interesting

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i'll be adding some chapter markers in

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the interview so if you're

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listening to it and you want to pick up

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01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,079
another topic within the interview or go

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01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,839
back to one you've listened to or stop

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01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,839
and start you can easily do that

1484
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,160
and a little bit more about julia julia

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01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,559
galef is the host of the popular

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01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:37,119
rationally speaking podcast so you may

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01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,400
know her from there

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01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,520
and gave a ted talk in 2016

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01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,520
why you think you're right even when

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you're wrong and that's been viewed more

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01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:46,559
than four

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01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:49,599
million times so look out for that

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01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,160
interview coming into the skeptic zone

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01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,520
feed later on this week

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01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,760
and a big thanks to iran segev who

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01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:01,520
contacted julia gaylor for this

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01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,799
interview

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and thank you to those people who've

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come on board in the last week

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01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,920
with your contributions to support the

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01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,599
at skepticzone.tv every cent

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01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,000
makes a difference it really does and a

1504
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,079
shout out to maynard

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01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,599
who last night did a live mad club

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01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,480
djing session in newtown the suburb of

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01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:26,079
newtown and that was a lot of fun good

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01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:27,119
on you maynard

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01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,799
and to check out more of maynard's

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01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,240
podcasts

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01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:33,440
bunga bunga and his activities and

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01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:37,440
interviews he interviewed bob down the

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01:01:40,589 --> 01:01:38,000
other week which

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01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,599
was really good i just head to

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01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,240
maynard.com.edu

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01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,839
but for this week this is richard

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01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:45,599
saunders signing off from sydney

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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